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		<title>By: Greg Atkinson</title>
		<link>http://www.shareswatch.com.au/blog/opinion/lng-billions-is-australia-getting-a-good-deal-gorgon-project/#comment-2534</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Atkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 01:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, here is a timely warning about counting on resource deals too early. Seems PetroChina have had enough: http://www.theage.com.au/business/woodside-loses-45b-china-gas-deal-20100104-lq78.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, here is a timely warning about counting on resource deals too early. Seems PetroChina have had enough: <a href="http://www.theage.com.au/business/woodside-loses-45b-china-gas-deal-20100104-lq78.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.theage.com.au/business/woodside-loses-45b-china-gas-deal-20100104-lq78.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Greg Atkinson</title>
		<link>http://www.shareswatch.com.au/blog/opinion/lng-billions-is-australia-getting-a-good-deal-gorgon-project/#comment-2518</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Atkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 01:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ned that seems exactly like the right word. I think Australians are also starting to feel the nation is &quot;bullet proof&quot; (economically speaking)and that may set us up for a nasty reality check someday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ned that seems exactly like the right word. I think Australians are also starting to feel the nation is &#8220;bullet proof&#8221; (economically speaking)and that may set us up for a nasty reality check someday.</p>
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		<title>By: Ned S</title>
		<link>http://www.shareswatch.com.au/blog/opinion/lng-billions-is-australia-getting-a-good-deal-gorgon-project/#comment-2515</link>
		<dc:creator>Ned S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No arguments at all Greg. Australia just strikes me as such a strange little country - Is parochial the right word?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No arguments at all Greg. Australia just strikes me as such a strange little country -- Is parochial the right word?</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Atkinson</title>
		<link>http://www.shareswatch.com.au/blog/opinion/lng-billions-is-australia-getting-a-good-deal-gorgon-project/#comment-2509</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Atkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 00:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ned I just read an article about some South Korean companies getting the contract to build four nuclear power plants in the UAE. This is exactly what Austrlaian companies could be doing if we developed a nuclear industry in Oz. We need to move up the value chain!

Oh and by the way, if we went nuclear we would also reduce our C02 emissions as opposed to trying to hide them under a rock. (a solution by the way that has few friends at the U.N it seems)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ned I just read an article about some South Korean companies getting the contract to build four nuclear power plants in the UAE. This is exactly what Austrlaian companies could be doing if we developed a nuclear industry in Oz. We need to move up the value chain!</p>
<p>Oh and by the way, if we went nuclear we would also reduce our C02 emissions as opposed to trying to hide them under a rock. (a solution by the way that has few friends at the U.N it seems)</p>
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		<title>By: Ned S</title>
		<link>http://www.shareswatch.com.au/blog/opinion/lng-billions-is-australia-getting-a-good-deal-gorgon-project/#comment-2414</link>
		<dc:creator>Ned S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 19:42:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barring genuine productive tech breakthroughs of various sorts (and I don&#039;t count banks coming up with more sophisticated financial fiddles as such), I&#039;d  expect things to be harder on the next few generations Greg - Globally competitive world with more people playing the &quot;let&#039;s compete&quot; capitalism game - Just makes sense there&#039;ll be a bit less for &quot;us&quot; what are at our zenith and a bit more for them that aren&#039;t I guess? Problem is people don&#039;t want to hear that. And economists seem to think they can weave some financial wizardry to avoid it - Silly buggers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barring genuine productive tech breakthroughs of various sorts (and I don&#8217;t count banks coming up with more sophisticated financial fiddles as such), I&#8217;d  expect things to be harder on the next few generations Greg -- Globally competitive world with more people playing the &#8220;let&#8217;s compete&#8221; capitalism game -- Just makes sense there&#8217;ll be a bit less for &#8220;us&#8221; what are at our zenith and a bit more for them that aren&#8217;t I guess? Problem is people don&#8217;t want to hear that. And economists seem to think they can weave some financial wizardry to avoid it -- Silly buggers!</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Atkinson</title>
		<link>http://www.shareswatch.com.au/blog/opinion/lng-billions-is-australia-getting-a-good-deal-gorgon-project/#comment-2412</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Atkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 09:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ned I guess we believe we have enough natural resources to go around? I wonder if in he rush to get rich we are going to make things harder in the future for the next few generations?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ned I guess we believe we have enough natural resources to go around? I wonder if in he rush to get rich we are going to make things harder in the future for the next few generations?</p>
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		<title>By: Ned S</title>
		<link>http://www.shareswatch.com.au/blog/opinion/lng-billions-is-australia-getting-a-good-deal-gorgon-project/#comment-2410</link>
		<dc:creator>Ned S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 01:08:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Underdeveloped nations can afford to be a bit tougher re terms maybe - As in their populations and pollies aren&#039;t addicted to the good life yet? Whereas lifestyle addicted tartlets like Oz just don&#039;t feel we can afford to be too choosy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Underdeveloped nations can afford to be a bit tougher re terms maybe -- As in their populations and pollies aren&#8217;t addicted to the good life yet? Whereas lifestyle addicted tartlets like Oz just don&#8217;t feel we can afford to be too choosy.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Atkinson</title>
		<link>http://www.shareswatch.com.au/blog/opinion/lng-billions-is-australia-getting-a-good-deal-gorgon-project/#comment-2408</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Atkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 00:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It has only take a few months but at least I have found one reporter in the mainstream media questioning how good a deal the Gorgon Project really is for Australia: http://www.smh.com.au/business/gorgone-20091119-iowx.html

I wonder how much of Australia&#039;s resources boom is heading overseas?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It has only take a few months but at least I have found one reporter in the mainstream media questioning how good a deal the Gorgon Project really is for Australia: <a href="http://www.smh.com.au/business/gorgone-20091119-iowx.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.smh.com.au/business/gorgone-20091119-iowx.html</a></p>
<p>I wonder how much of Australia&#8217;s resources boom is heading overseas?</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Atkinson</title>
		<link>http://www.shareswatch.com.au/blog/opinion/lng-billions-is-australia-getting-a-good-deal-gorgon-project/#comment-1884</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Atkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 22:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even Mongolia seems to manage it resources better than us. Here is how a new gold and copper mine will divide up the profits as reported in the SMH today: &quot;Mongolia will own 34 per cent of the mine and receive a $US250 million ($A284.9 million) advance payment against royalties and taxes under the agreement signed by its ministers for finance, mining and the environment and executives of Rio and Ivanhoe.&quot;

So they will get 34% of the profits, plus they will take an upfront fee! I wonder if we can get their team over to Oz to handle our resource agreements?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even Mongolia seems to manage it resources better than us. Here is how a new gold and copper mine will divide up the profits as reported in the SMH today: &#8220;Mongolia will own 34 per cent of the mine and receive a $US250 million ($A284.9 million) advance payment against royalties and taxes under the agreement signed by its ministers for finance, mining and the environment and executives of Rio and Ivanhoe.&#8221;</p>
<p>So they will get 34% of the profits, plus they will take an upfront fee! I wonder if we can get their team over to Oz to handle our resource agreements?!</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Atkinson</title>
		<link>http://www.shareswatch.com.au/blog/opinion/lng-billions-is-australia-getting-a-good-deal-gorgon-project/#comment-1765</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Atkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 07:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>flawse interesting..thanks for the link. By the way, what is Australia&#039;s approach to managing our resources? Do we have one? ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>flawse interesting..thanks for the link. By the way, what is Australia&#8217;s approach to managing our resources? Do we have one? <img src='http://www.shareswatch.com.au/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: flawse</title>
		<link>http://www.shareswatch.com.au/blog/opinion/lng-billions-is-australia-getting-a-good-deal-gorgon-project/#comment-1753</link>
		<dc:creator>flawse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 03:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Link to NYT article featuring Brazil&#039;s philosophy on developing its deep sub-salt oil.
It&#039;s a lot different to the approach taken by Australia.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/18/world/americas/18brazil.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Link to NYT article featuring Brazil&#8217;s philosophy on developing its deep sub-salt oil.<br />
It&#8217;s a lot different to the approach taken by Australia.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/18/world/americas/18brazil.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/18/world/americas/18brazil.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Greg Atkinson</title>
		<link>http://www.shareswatch.com.au/blog/opinion/lng-billions-is-australia-getting-a-good-deal-gorgon-project/#comment-1744</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Atkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 10:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>flawse it is amazing how little attention these major resource deals get. Nobody seems too worried if we are getting a good deal as long as jobs are created. Where is the long term view?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>flawse it is amazing how little attention these major resource deals get. Nobody seems too worried if we are getting a good deal as long as jobs are created. Where is the long term view?</p>
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		<title>By: flawse</title>
		<link>http://www.shareswatch.com.au/blog/opinion/lng-billions-is-australia-getting-a-good-deal-gorgon-project/#comment-1741</link>
		<dc:creator>flawse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 06:40:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael is in editing now.  However it seems he had seen nothing about this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael is in editing now.  However it seems he had seen nothing about this.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Atkinson</title>
		<link>http://www.shareswatch.com.au/blog/opinion/lng-billions-is-australia-getting-a-good-deal-gorgon-project/#comment-1733</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Atkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 01:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>flawse I think the companies involved would be well aware that implementing any new technology is risky and even more risky to guarantee it will hold up for decades. I just cannot believe the State and Federal Governments agreed to this! At least we could have secured a bond or something.

Michael West is one of the good journalists out there, I like a lot of his work. Hope we has something to say on the subject.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>flawse I think the companies involved would be well aware that implementing any new technology is risky and even more risky to guarantee it will hold up for decades. I just cannot believe the State and Federal Governments agreed to this! At least we could have secured a bond or something.</p>
<p>Michael West is one of the good journalists out there, I like a lot of his work. Hope we has something to say on the subject.</p>
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		<title>By: flawse</title>
		<link>http://www.shareswatch.com.au/blog/opinion/lng-billions-is-australia-getting-a-good-deal-gorgon-project/#comment-1731</link>
		<dc:creator>flawse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 01:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Greg!

I was thinking more about the CO2 - the deal might be a reflection of what these companies, who probably know a thing or two about inground storage of gases, think of the technology!
Chin up!

One more thing...I have not seen this Co2 thing reported at all in Aus MSM....what the hell is going on in this country?
I&#039;ll send it to Michael West and see if he knows anything about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Greg!</p>
<p>I was thinking more about the CO2 -- the deal might be a reflection of what these companies, who probably know a thing or two about inground storage of gases, think of the technology!<br />
Chin up!</p>
<p>One more thing&#8230;I have not seen this Co2 thing reported at all in Aus MSM&#8230;.what the hell is going on in this country?<br />
I&#8217;ll send it to Michael West and see if he knows anything about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Atkinson</title>
		<link>http://www.shareswatch.com.au/blog/opinion/lng-billions-is-australia-getting-a-good-deal-gorgon-project/#comment-1728</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Atkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 00:48:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>flawse, thanks very much for the info about Gorgon &amp; the C02. I have actually been thinking about who was responsible for the C02 that will be hidden, now the question has been answered.

Martin Ferguson is a complete dill, it just goes to show how our politicians have no idea how to get a good commercial deal for the nation. 

Great, so the companies get the LNG dollars, dig the country up, make a bundle then leave us with the problem of what to do with the C02. What happens if it starts to leak out? Well I guess that will now be up to taxpayers to sort out. So we have sold our stake for maybe 10% cut of the profits and assumed a big chunk of risk that will be around for hundred of years.

But can you find anyone in the mainstream media who questions the the Gorgon deal or in the Federal Opposition for that matter? 

Thanks also for the information about Brazil..are you trying to make me cry? :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>flawse, thanks very much for the info about Gorgon &#038; the C02. I have actually been thinking about who was responsible for the C02 that will be hidden, now the question has been answered.</p>
<p>Martin Ferguson is a complete dill, it just goes to show how our politicians have no idea how to get a good commercial deal for the nation. </p>
<p>Great, so the companies get the LNG dollars, dig the country up, make a bundle then leave us with the problem of what to do with the C02. What happens if it starts to leak out? Well I guess that will now be up to taxpayers to sort out. So we have sold our stake for maybe 10% cut of the profits and assumed a big chunk of risk that will be around for hundred of years.</p>
<p>But can you find anyone in the mainstream media who questions the the Gorgon deal or in the Federal Opposition for that matter? </p>
<p>Thanks also for the information about Brazil..are you trying to make me cry? <img src='http://www.shareswatch.com.au/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: flawse</title>
		<link>http://www.shareswatch.com.au/blog/opinion/lng-billions-is-australia-getting-a-good-deal-gorgon-project/#comment-1727</link>
		<dc:creator>flawse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 00:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope this does not come up twice as I tried to post it earlier.

Greg have you seen this? The implications are quite staggering!
Martin Ferguson is a consumate ass!

Chevron Australia CO2 Liability Deal May Be Precedent 

Sept. 18 (Bloomberg) -- Chevron Corp., Exxon Mobil Corp. and Royal Dutch Shell Plc agreed to invest in the $37 billion Gorgon natural gas venture only after Australia’s government assumed liability for potential damages hundreds of years from now. That may set a precedent in this resource-rich nation. 

The three oil companies said Sept. 14 they will proceed with the liquefied natural gas development, the continent’s biggest single investment, at Barrow Island off the northwest coast. The national and Western Australia state governments removed a key obstacle last month when they accepted “any long term liability” should carbon dioxide captured from the project escape sequestration, or storage, two kilometers underground. 

“Letting taxpayers ultimately take responsibility for any problems with the CO2 sequestration is a calculated risk by the government,” said Craig Wallace, a senior associate of Lavan Legal in Perth who has advised companies on Australia’s draft climate-change legislation.

“It sets a precedent. It’s probably very likely other operations would get on the bandwagon.” 

Gorgon is the largest of 10 proposed LNG projects that Resources and Energy Minister Martin Ferguson says will make Australia “an energy superpower.”

The project’s importance in creating wealth, jobs and investment justified government acceptance of liability...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope this does not come up twice as I tried to post it earlier.</p>
<p>Greg have you seen this? The implications are quite staggering!<br />
Martin Ferguson is a consumate ass!</p>
<p>Chevron Australia CO2 Liability Deal May Be Precedent </p>
<p>Sept. 18 (Bloomberg) &#8212; Chevron Corp., Exxon Mobil Corp. and Royal Dutch Shell Plc agreed to invest in the $37 billion Gorgon natural gas venture only after Australia’s government assumed liability for potential damages hundreds of years from now. That may set a precedent in this resource-rich nation. </p>
<p>The three oil companies said Sept. 14 they will proceed with the liquefied natural gas development, the continent’s biggest single investment, at Barrow Island off the northwest coast. The national and Western Australia state governments removed a key obstacle last month when they accepted “any long term liability” should carbon dioxide captured from the project escape sequestration, or storage, two kilometers underground. </p>
<p>“Letting taxpayers ultimately take responsibility for any problems with the CO2 sequestration is a calculated risk by the government,” said Craig Wallace, a senior associate of Lavan Legal in Perth who has advised companies on Australia’s draft climate-change legislation.</p>
<p>“It sets a precedent. It’s probably very likely other operations would get on the bandwagon.” </p>
<p>Gorgon is the largest of 10 proposed LNG projects that Resources and Energy Minister Martin Ferguson says will make Australia “an energy superpower.”</p>
<p>The project’s importance in creating wealth, jobs and investment justified government acceptance of liability&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: flawse</title>
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		<dc:creator>flawse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 16:22:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brazil&#039;s idea

Brazil’s new resource policy has already sent efficientarians into gruff, neo-classical orbit. They’re predictably irked that Brazil no longer intends to extract its oil as quickly as possible at current market prices! Now the South American giant has additional gravel to drop on the heads of economists: it’s decided to build all its future drilling rigs at home:

Asian yards miss out on Petrobras drillship contracts – Rio De Janeiro: Asian shipyards are to lose out on a lucrative offshore opportunity in light of the news that that Brazilian oil company Petrobras is to hand out around $9.8bn in chartering costs to offshore operators for expensive drillships – but only if they are built in Brazil. –SeaTrade Asia Online, 11 September 2009

Brazil sourced its previous (and current) rig building contract the old fashioned way: by making a global tender. But given the capacity of Brazilian shipyards, myriad other resources found in Brazil, and especially the ability to make the full range of specialty metals, why not build all the drill rigs and drillships at home? Fabricado em Brasil, in contrast to Ricardian comparative advantage, will make economists very unhappy. As Brazil intends to spend at least 175 billion over the next 5 years developing offshore oil, making western economists unhappy (who neither understand oil) is not such a bad thing.
-Gregor


http://gregor.us/policy/diy-brazil/</description>
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<p>Brazil’s new resource policy has already sent efficientarians into gruff, neo-classical orbit. They’re predictably irked that Brazil no longer intends to extract its oil as quickly as possible at current market prices! Now the South American giant has additional gravel to drop on the heads of economists: it’s decided to build all its future drilling rigs at home:</p>
<p>Asian yards miss out on Petrobras drillship contracts – Rio De Janeiro: Asian shipyards are to lose out on a lucrative offshore opportunity in light of the news that that Brazilian oil company Petrobras is to hand out around $9.8bn in chartering costs to offshore operators for expensive drillships – but only if they are built in Brazil. –SeaTrade Asia Online, 11 September 2009</p>
<p>Brazil sourced its previous (and current) rig building contract the old fashioned way: by making a global tender. But given the capacity of Brazilian shipyards, myriad other resources found in Brazil, and especially the ability to make the full range of specialty metals, why not build all the drill rigs and drillships at home? Fabricado em Brasil, in contrast to Ricardian comparative advantage, will make economists very unhappy. As Brazil intends to spend at least 175 billion over the next 5 years developing offshore oil, making western economists unhappy (who neither understand oil) is not such a bad thing.<br />
-Gregor</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Atkinson</title>
		<link>http://www.shareswatch.com.au/blog/opinion/lng-billions-is-australia-getting-a-good-deal-gorgon-project/#comment-1716</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Atkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 11:26:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>flawse you are right, we are on a treadmill. As you mention Brazil is a good example of how to manage resources as is Norway &amp; Statoil.

We seem to bend over backwards to sell off our natural resources and we will end up buying energy sourced from Australia from foreign corporations. 

The other very Austrlaian thing we do is not value add, we just ship the raw materials off (and think we are getting a bargain) and then buy imports made from our own raw materials, where the cost of the raw materials we sold is recovered many times over. Now how stupid is that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>flawse you are right, we are on a treadmill. As you mention Brazil is a good example of how to manage resources as is Norway &#038; Statoil.</p>
<p>We seem to bend over backwards to sell off our natural resources and we will end up buying energy sourced from Australia from foreign corporations. </p>
<p>The other very Austrlaian thing we do is not value add, we just ship the raw materials off (and think we are getting a bargain) and then buy imports made from our own raw materials, where the cost of the raw materials we sold is recovered many times over. Now how stupid is that!</p>
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		<title>By: flawse</title>
		<link>http://www.shareswatch.com.au/blog/opinion/lng-billions-is-australia-getting-a-good-deal-gorgon-project/#comment-1715</link>
		<dc:creator>flawse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 11:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are on a treadmill.  We must continue to sell our assets at a faster and faster rate to stand still.
We have had negative, after tax real interest rates for something like 50 years that I know of.  So we have no savings, large personal debts and most of our resources already sold to Foreign owners.
Australia&#039;s handling of the LNG industry is in stark contrast to Brazil&#039;s handling of its deep oil discoveries.  These have been virtually quarantine for development by Petrobras the Brazilian Oil Company.
Our politicians can&#039;t wait to get their hands on more money to spend to make themselves appear &#039;good&#039;.  
Australians are strange.  We seem to think that all these foreigners who save and then come and invest here do so because they like us, and so they &#039;give&#039; us money.  
The payment of interest and repatriation of dividends is already a major factor in our CAD,  We are already borrowing to pay the interest on the interest.  But even worse we are selling (have sold)our heritage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are on a treadmill.  We must continue to sell our assets at a faster and faster rate to stand still.<br />
We have had negative, after tax real interest rates for something like 50 years that I know of.  So we have no savings, large personal debts and most of our resources already sold to Foreign owners.<br />
Australia&#8217;s handling of the LNG industry is in stark contrast to Brazil&#8217;s handling of its deep oil discoveries.  These have been virtually quarantine for development by Petrobras the Brazilian Oil Company.<br />
Our politicians can&#8217;t wait to get their hands on more money to spend to make themselves appear &#8216;good&#8217;.<br />
Australians are strange.  We seem to think that all these foreigners who save and then come and invest here do so because they like us, and so they &#8216;give&#8217; us money.<br />
The payment of interest and repatriation of dividends is already a major factor in our CAD,  We are already borrowing to pay the interest on the interest.  But even worse we are selling (have sold)our heritage.</p>
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