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		<title>By: Ned S</title>
		<link>http://www.shareswatch.com.au/blog/stockmarket/a-stock-market-correction-some-panic-and-nervous-investors/#comment-3650</link>
		<dc:creator>Ned S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 01:48:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d have thought the markets would be a bit more worried about comments like &quot;The Fed is finished with its job of providing liquidity to markets during the financial crisis and is debating how best to withdraw reserves from the financial system&quot; than they seem to be? :

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE63D4NC20100415</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d have thought the markets would be a bit more worried about comments like &#8220;The Fed is finished with its job of providing liquidity to markets during the financial crisis and is debating how best to withdraw reserves from the financial system&#8221; than they seem to be? :</p>
<p><a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE63D4NC20100415" rel="nofollow">http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE63D4NC20100415</a></p>
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		<title>By: Greg Atkinson</title>
		<link>http://www.shareswatch.com.au/blog/stockmarket/a-stock-market-correction-some-panic-and-nervous-investors/#comment-3001</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Atkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 01:56:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ned yes I said a while back that Asia would come out of the GFC a winner and the U.S would be left in a weaker position. But I don&#039;t think Oz will be a winner either, we now import much more than we export and are racking up a lot of private &amp; public debt.

We may just be getting ourselves use to a lifestyle we can&#039;t afford!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ned yes I said a while back that Asia would come out of the GFC a winner and the U.S would be left in a weaker position. But I don&#8217;t think Oz will be a winner either, we now import much more than we export and are racking up a lot of private &#038; public debt.</p>
<p>We may just be getting ourselves use to a lifestyle we can&#8217;t afford!</p>
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		<title>By: Ned S</title>
		<link>http://www.shareswatch.com.au/blog/stockmarket/a-stock-market-correction-some-panic-and-nervous-investors/#comment-2997</link>
		<dc:creator>Ned S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 05:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My guess would have to be that the RBA is looking to China because it is a developing nation with a nice big surplus to spend on its future development. It&#039;s simply where they see the most potential for growth that will benefit Oz perhaps?

Correct me if I wrong, but I have a vague recollection you opined a good while back that the GFC would see winners and losers Greg? With your thoughts being that Asia was likely to be in the winners camp.

Seems to me that is what is happening. With Oz going along for the ride.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My guess would have to be that the RBA is looking to China because it is a developing nation with a nice big surplus to spend on its future development. It&#8217;s simply where they see the most potential for growth that will benefit Oz perhaps?</p>
<p>Correct me if I wrong, but I have a vague recollection you opined a good while back that the GFC would see winners and losers Greg? With your thoughts being that Asia was likely to be in the winners camp.</p>
<p>Seems to me that is what is happening. With Oz going along for the ride.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Atkinson</title>
		<link>http://www.shareswatch.com.au/blog/stockmarket/a-stock-market-correction-some-panic-and-nervous-investors/#comment-2974</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Atkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 05:14:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes I heard about the claim regarding the gold, they certainly know how to have disputes in Europe!

Well I did say last year to watch Europe in: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.shareswatch.com.au/blog/economy/the-forgotten-economic-giant-the-european-union/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The forgotten economic giant: The European Union&lt;/a&gt; and actually someone back then left a very good comment about debt in the EU.

Still Europe is a very big economy and I doubt Greece will drag the whole house down. I am probably wrong, but I reckon this is a bit of a storm in a teacup as they say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes I heard about the claim regarding the gold, they certainly know how to have disputes in Europe!</p>
<p>Well I did say last year to watch Europe in: <a href="http://www.shareswatch.com.au/blog/economy/the-forgotten-economic-giant-the-european-union/" rel="nofollow">The forgotten economic giant: The European Union</a> and actually someone back then left a very good comment about debt in the EU.</p>
<p>Still Europe is a very big economy and I doubt Greece will drag the whole house down. I am probably wrong, but I reckon this is a bit of a storm in a teacup as they say.</p>
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		<title>By: Ned S</title>
		<link>http://www.shareswatch.com.au/blog/stockmarket/a-stock-market-correction-some-panic-and-nervous-investors/#comment-2972</link>
		<dc:creator>Ned S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 04:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Plus they reckon the bloody Eyeties cheated their way into the Union too!!! :)

Hmmm ... There goes the Greek Mafia&#039;s claim on Omerta. Seems they aren&#039;t even big on the &quot;honour amongst thieves&quot; thing?

Mental note: Think long and hard before accepting marriage proposals from nice Greek girls. Or business propositions from their daddies!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Plus they reckon the bloody Eyeties cheated their way into the Union too!!! <img src='http://www.shareswatch.com.au/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Hmmm &#8230; There goes the Greek Mafia&#8217;s claim on Omerta. Seems they aren&#8217;t even big on the &#8220;honour amongst thieves&#8221; thing?</p>
<p>Mental note: Think long and hard before accepting marriage proposals from nice Greek girls. Or business propositions from their daddies!</p>
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		<title>By: Ned S</title>
		<link>http://www.shareswatch.com.au/blog/stockmarket/a-stock-market-correction-some-panic-and-nervous-investors/#comment-2971</link>
		<dc:creator>Ned S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 03:57:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see there are a few hairline cracks appearing in the Euro Union - The Greeks reckon the &quot;Nazis&quot; never gave their gold back forsooth! :)

Ah those feisty Mediterranean temperaments - Do we detect a slight disinclination to do the stiff upper lip, shoulder to the wheel and let&#039;s soldier on old chap routine?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see there are a few hairline cracks appearing in the Euro Union &#8211; The Greeks reckon the &#8220;Nazis&#8221; never gave their gold back forsooth! <img src='http://www.shareswatch.com.au/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Ah those feisty Mediterranean temperaments &#8211; Do we detect a slight disinclination to do the stiff upper lip, shoulder to the wheel and let&#8217;s soldier on old chap routine?</p>
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		<title>By: Ned S</title>
		<link>http://www.shareswatch.com.au/blog/stockmarket/a-stock-market-correction-some-panic-and-nervous-investors/#comment-2861</link>
		<dc:creator>Ned S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 10:36:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I was real keen to hedge away from Oz (and I&#039;m not because Asia still seems as good [better even?] than most) then putting a few AUD into CAD could suggest itself as an option.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I was real keen to hedge away from Oz (and I&#8217;m not because Asia still seems as good [better even?] than most) then putting a few AUD into CAD could suggest itself as an option.</p>
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		<title>By: Ned S</title>
		<link>http://www.shareswatch.com.au/blog/stockmarket/a-stock-market-correction-some-panic-and-nervous-investors/#comment-2858</link>
		<dc:creator>Ned S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 10:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Still happy to hedge bets here - Investments = 60% mortgage free Oz residential property + 40% AUD Pacific Pesos.

&quot;They will have to do a mass bailout theres no other choice.&quot; - If I was Angela Merkel, the thought might be flicking through my mind that given I have East Germany safely back in the fold now, is starting to print up some &quot;Deutsche Euros&quot; an option? :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Still happy to hedge bets here &#8211; Investments = 60% mortgage free Oz residential property + 40% AUD Pacific Pesos.</p>
<p>&#8220;They will have to do a mass bailout theres no other choice.&#8221; &#8211; If I was Angela Merkel, the thought might be flicking through my mind that given I have East Germany safely back in the fold now, is starting to print up some &#8220;Deutsche Euros&#8221; an option? <img src='http://www.shareswatch.com.au/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Greg Atkinson</title>
		<link>http://www.shareswatch.com.au/blog/stockmarket/a-stock-market-correction-some-panic-and-nervous-investors/#comment-2847</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Atkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 22:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What has been a bit of a surprise for me is the duration of what I call the Economic Twilight Zone (see: http://www.shareswatch.com.au/blog/stockmarket/the-economic-twilight-zone/) although in hindsight I now realize that since we had such a big bubble, I should have expected the uncertainty in the world&#039;s financial markets to drag on for maybe a year or more.

There is good economic news out there but also plenty of worrying signs and trends. The BDI for example is looking weak and as Anon points out the real estate market in China is a bit of a worry, although some China experts say that the oversupply in office space in the big cities in China is just a short term blip. Who to believe?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What has been a bit of a surprise for me is the duration of what I call the Economic Twilight Zone (see: <a href="http://www.shareswatch.com.au/blog/stockmarket/the-economic-twilight-zone/)" rel="nofollow">http://www.shareswatch.com.au/blog/stockmarket/the-economic-twilight-zone/)</a> although in hindsight I now realize that since we had such a big bubble, I should have expected the uncertainty in the world&#8217;s financial markets to drag on for maybe a year or more.</p>
<p>There is good economic news out there but also plenty of worrying signs and trends. The BDI for example is looking weak and as Anon points out the real estate market in China is a bit of a worry, although some China experts say that the oversupply in office space in the big cities in China is just a short term blip. Who to believe?</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
		<link>http://www.shareswatch.com.au/blog/stockmarket/a-stock-market-correction-some-panic-and-nervous-investors/#comment-2845</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 14:36:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Yes, when I was looking at American retail stock I priced in a recovery in spending but obviously not back to previous levels. Unfortunately I didn’t think the recovery was going to be as slow and as weak as what is occurring now&quot;

Well I was right the first time, US retail sales up and appear to be recovering somewhat.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&amp;sid=aLlZ432DjWkw&amp;pos=3

Lucky i doubled my Walmart holdings ;) Unlucky I sold my weaker retail stocks to fund the purchase !

&quot;My big fat Greek bailout – European unity in action – The Germans don’t want to bail out the Greeks; The Greeks reckon their bailout isn’t big enough; The French reckon it’s those despicable Anglo-Saxon banks that caused it all; And Gordon Brown reckons “What Euro? – We don’t use the bloody Euro!” :)&quot;

Its like days of our lives. They will have to do a mass bailout theres no other choice. The funny thing about all this is post bailouts people will realise the Pound, the yen and the USD are just as bad if not worse.
Bloomberg is moving on from the PIIGS and targeting China now it seems. Gotta keep viewers on the site ;)

Beijing Seen Vacant for 50% of Commercial Space as Chanos Predicts a Crash:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&amp;sid=a6i2PSZD.Jr4&amp;pos=13

Remember above and all posts not advice, just commentary, seek a professional adviser for info/advice/decisions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Yes, when I was looking at American retail stock I priced in a recovery in spending but obviously not back to previous levels. Unfortunately I didn’t think the recovery was going to be as slow and as weak as what is occurring now&#8221;</p>
<p>Well I was right the first time, US retail sales up and appear to be recovering somewhat.<br />
<a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&amp;sid=aLlZ432DjWkw&amp;pos=3" rel="nofollow">http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&amp;sid=aLlZ432DjWkw&amp;pos=3</a></p>
<p>Lucky i doubled my Walmart holdings <img src='http://www.shareswatch.com.au/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  Unlucky I sold my weaker retail stocks to fund the purchase !</p>
<p>&#8220;My big fat Greek bailout – European unity in action – The Germans don’t want to bail out the Greeks; The Greeks reckon their bailout isn’t big enough; The French reckon it’s those despicable Anglo-Saxon banks that caused it all; And Gordon Brown reckons “What Euro? – We don’t use the bloody Euro!” <img src='http://www.shareswatch.com.au/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> &#8221;</p>
<p>Its like days of our lives. They will have to do a mass bailout theres no other choice. The funny thing about all this is post bailouts people will realise the Pound, the yen and the USD are just as bad if not worse.<br />
Bloomberg is moving on from the PIIGS and targeting China now it seems. Gotta keep viewers on the site <img src='http://www.shareswatch.com.au/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Beijing Seen Vacant for 50% of Commercial Space as Chanos Predicts a Crash:<br />
<a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&amp;sid=a6i2PSZD.Jr4&amp;pos=13" rel="nofollow">http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&amp;sid=a6i2PSZD.Jr4&amp;pos=13</a></p>
<p>Remember above and all posts not advice, just commentary, seek a professional adviser for info/advice/decisions.</p>
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		<title>By: Ned S</title>
		<link>http://www.shareswatch.com.au/blog/stockmarket/a-stock-market-correction-some-panic-and-nervous-investors/#comment-2844</link>
		<dc:creator>Ned S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 14:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My big fat Greek bailout - European unity in action - The Germans don&#039;t want to bail out the Greeks; The Greeks reckon their bailout isn&#039;t big enough; The French reckon it&#039;s those despicable Anglo-Saxon banks that caused it all; And Gordon Brown reckons &quot;What Euro? - We don&#039;t use the bloody Euro!&quot; :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My big fat Greek bailout &#8211; European unity in action &#8211; The Germans don&#8217;t want to bail out the Greeks; The Greeks reckon their bailout isn&#8217;t big enough; The French reckon it&#8217;s those despicable Anglo-Saxon banks that caused it all; And Gordon Brown reckons &#8220;What Euro? &#8211; We don&#8217;t use the bloody Euro!&#8221; <img src='http://www.shareswatch.com.au/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Greg Atkinson</title>
		<link>http://www.shareswatch.com.au/blog/stockmarket/a-stock-market-correction-some-panic-and-nervous-investors/#comment-2798</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Atkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 12:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anon thanks for the link. I can see sense in going into something like Kraft but I am not sure the risk/return balance is quit right as I think you were suggesting. 

As for the &quot;Solar Sails&quot; that little adventure is via a small company I work at. My way of thinking is technology will help us kick our oil and fossil fuel habit, not a a tax by stealth like the ETS. The designs of the sails are getting &quot;sexier&quot; as the technology improves.

Since I have an engineering background I tend to drift towards tech related stocks, not that this has done me much good so far :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon thanks for the link. I can see sense in going into something like Kraft but I am not sure the risk/return balance is quit right as I think you were suggesting. </p>
<p>As for the &#8220;Solar Sails&#8221; that little adventure is via a small company I work at. My way of thinking is technology will help us kick our oil and fossil fuel habit, not a a tax by stealth like the ETS. The designs of the sails are getting &#8220;sexier&#8221; as the technology improves.</p>
<p>Since I have an engineering background I tend to drift towards tech related stocks, not that this has done me much good so far <img src='http://www.shareswatch.com.au/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
		<link>http://www.shareswatch.com.au/blog/stockmarket/a-stock-market-correction-some-panic-and-nervous-investors/#comment-2789</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 01:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I have always tried to be a long term value type investor, but I have found that even this approach has limitations. Still, when all is said and done there is an awful lot of luck involved in being a good investor.&quot;

Yeah theres alot of competition in value investing now. But I agree it has limitations. I used to rely heavily on bookvalues until I realised alot of them were fictional ;)

One value stock that lots are touting atm is Kraft. Heres a presentation on its value:

http://www.tilsonfunds.com/Kraft.pdf

I am not sure thats enough return for me, I would prefer low 20&#039;s ;). I have enough stalwarts already. Probably be regretting that statement 3-4 years from now hah.

Regarding luck, you definitely need loads of it. But I think intuition plays a big part. Theres been so many times where the numbers looked excellent but my gut was saying something is not right here...i&#039;d dump and companies would collapse several months later. I guess you cant learn that in a finance book, theres alot of art to the markets.

I noticed you had an investment in solar sails, from perusing earlier. Interesting concept. Are they thinking of camouflaging it abit...the visual affect would be important to the higher end market ?

&quot;As for spotting trends, well I do sometimes get it right but sadly I seem to have the ability to pick the wrong stock in the right sector. For example I guessed financial stocks would bounce back but decided to try and ride Babcock &amp; Brown (BNB) up…argghh! What a blunder!&quot;

I&#039;ve done that aswell. I picked some commodities early price appreication potential. Bght equities I thought were positively correlated. The commodity went up and the stock went backwards lol. I think Sector ETFs are the best if your trying to bet sectors. Pick the stock and the sector etf for insurance.

Remember above is not advice, only commentary – seek advice/info from a competent financial advisor</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I have always tried to be a long term value type investor, but I have found that even this approach has limitations. Still, when all is said and done there is an awful lot of luck involved in being a good investor.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah theres alot of competition in value investing now. But I agree it has limitations. I used to rely heavily on bookvalues until I realised alot of them were fictional <img src='http://www.shareswatch.com.au/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>One value stock that lots are touting atm is Kraft. Heres a presentation on its value:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.tilsonfunds.com/Kraft.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.tilsonfunds.com/Kraft.pdf</a></p>
<p>I am not sure thats enough return for me, I would prefer low 20&#8217;s <img src='http://www.shareswatch.com.au/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> . I have enough stalwarts already. Probably be regretting that statement 3-4 years from now hah.</p>
<p>Regarding luck, you definitely need loads of it. But I think intuition plays a big part. Theres been so many times where the numbers looked excellent but my gut was saying something is not right here&#8230;i&#8217;d dump and companies would collapse several months later. I guess you cant learn that in a finance book, theres alot of art to the markets.</p>
<p>I noticed you had an investment in solar sails, from perusing earlier. Interesting concept. Are they thinking of camouflaging it abit&#8230;the visual affect would be important to the higher end market ?</p>
<p>&#8220;As for spotting trends, well I do sometimes get it right but sadly I seem to have the ability to pick the wrong stock in the right sector. For example I guessed financial stocks would bounce back but decided to try and ride Babcock &amp; Brown (BNB) up…argghh! What a blunder!&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve done that aswell. I picked some commodities early price appreication potential. Bght equities I thought were positively correlated. The commodity went up and the stock went backwards lol. I think Sector ETFs are the best if your trying to bet sectors. Pick the stock and the sector etf for insurance.</p>
<p>Remember above is not advice, only commentary – seek advice/info from a competent financial advisor</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Atkinson</title>
		<link>http://www.shareswatch.com.au/blog/stockmarket/a-stock-market-correction-some-panic-and-nervous-investors/#comment-2785</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Atkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 00:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anon - firstly sorry for the delay before your comments showed up. If you change any details (e-mail address etc) then the moderation system thinks you are a new person and your comment has to be manually approved. Since I do actually have a day job, this means it can take me a while to get in and hit the &quot;okay&quot; button.

Now onto stocks. I am already an investor in the &quot;green&quot; energy sector and have been sadly disappointed so far. The companies generally seem to have lots of potential but are not exactly cash-cows at the moment. I would say I have made almost nothing from investing in this sector so far, I would have done better sticking with fossil fuel related companies!

As for spotting trends, well I do sometimes get it right but sadly I seem to have the ability to pick the wrong stock in the right sector. For example I guessed financial stocks would bounce back but decided to try and ride Babcock &amp; Brown (BNB) up...argghh! What a blunder!

I also managed to invest in a gold mining company during the years when gold was rising but believe it or not, that company basically went under!

My biggest mistake over the last few years is that I paid too much attention to analysts recommendations. In 2008 I went into quite a few stocks that many brokers/analysts were keen on only to find them crash just months later.

Now I hardly look at any research and simply look at each company not as investment but as a business starting off with: do I like what the company does.

I have always tried to be a long term value type investor, but I have found that even this approach has limitations. Still, when all is said and done there is an awful lot of luck involved in being a good investor.

As for writing a newsletter, I don&#039;t really have the time and I besides I prefer the freedom of being able to rant about anything via this blog.  Nobody can edit me here :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon &#8211; firstly sorry for the delay before your comments showed up. If you change any details (e-mail address etc) then the moderation system thinks you are a new person and your comment has to be manually approved. Since I do actually have a day job, this means it can take me a while to get in and hit the &#8220;okay&#8221; button.</p>
<p>Now onto stocks. I am already an investor in the &#8220;green&#8221; energy sector and have been sadly disappointed so far. The companies generally seem to have lots of potential but are not exactly cash-cows at the moment. I would say I have made almost nothing from investing in this sector so far, I would have done better sticking with fossil fuel related companies!</p>
<p>As for spotting trends, well I do sometimes get it right but sadly I seem to have the ability to pick the wrong stock in the right sector. For example I guessed financial stocks would bounce back but decided to try and ride Babcock &#038; Brown (BNB) up&#8230;argghh! What a blunder!</p>
<p>I also managed to invest in a gold mining company during the years when gold was rising but believe it or not, that company basically went under!</p>
<p>My biggest mistake over the last few years is that I paid too much attention to analysts recommendations. In 2008 I went into quite a few stocks that many brokers/analysts were keen on only to find them crash just months later.</p>
<p>Now I hardly look at any research and simply look at each company not as investment but as a business starting off with: do I like what the company does.</p>
<p>I have always tried to be a long term value type investor, but I have found that even this approach has limitations. Still, when all is said and done there is an awful lot of luck involved in being a good investor.</p>
<p>As for writing a newsletter, I don&#8217;t really have the time and I besides I prefer the freedom of being able to rant about anything via this blog.  Nobody can edit me here <img src='http://www.shareswatch.com.au/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Greg Atkinson</title>
		<link>http://www.shareswatch.com.au/blog/stockmarket/a-stock-market-correction-some-panic-and-nervous-investors/#comment-2772</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Atkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 01:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ned I gave up a long time ago trying to &quot;beat&quot; the market or thinking I was clever enough to make money from short term trends. I now sit back and just accept the stock market will move in cycles and that after each bubble there is pain, chaos and predictions of doom before people get busy setting up the next bubble.

Right now I simply expect that it will take years for the global economy to settle down again and some national economies will be struggling for perhaps a decade or more. But it has all happened before..many times.

As for buying stocks, my approach at the moment is to look at a company and ask: will this company&#039;s share price be significantly higher in 2-3 years time? If I convince myself that there is a good chance it will be, then I might think about buying a very small parcel of stocks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ned I gave up a long time ago trying to &#8220;beat&#8221; the market or thinking I was clever enough to make money from short term trends. I now sit back and just accept the stock market will move in cycles and that after each bubble there is pain, chaos and predictions of doom before people get busy setting up the next bubble.</p>
<p>Right now I simply expect that it will take years for the global economy to settle down again and some national economies will be struggling for perhaps a decade or more. But it has all happened before..many times.</p>
<p>As for buying stocks, my approach at the moment is to look at a company and ask: will this company&#8217;s share price be significantly higher in 2-3 years time? If I convince myself that there is a good chance it will be, then I might think about buying a very small parcel of stocks.</p>
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		<title>By: Ned S</title>
		<link>http://www.shareswatch.com.au/blog/stockmarket/a-stock-market-correction-some-panic-and-nervous-investors/#comment-2769</link>
		<dc:creator>Ned S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 10:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saying I&#039;m confused like everyone else doesn&#039;t sell a lot of newspapers hey? :)

I guess for those who follow stocks, it&#039;s a question of why you are buying (or shorting?) - Do you figure you can beat Goldman Sachs on this short term trade? Or are you saying it seems like it could be good value given time.

And I&#039;m sure I don&#039;t have the savvy to be making calls like those.

I guess, that deep down, I&#039;m taking the view that deleveraging will eventually end and the world will head off on its usual and preferred inflationary way again is about all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saying I&#8217;m confused like everyone else doesn&#8217;t sell a lot of newspapers hey? <img src='http://www.shareswatch.com.au/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I guess for those who follow stocks, it&#8217;s a question of why you are buying (or shorting?) &#8211; Do you figure you can beat Goldman Sachs on this short term trade? Or are you saying it seems like it could be good value given time.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m sure I don&#8217;t have the savvy to be making calls like those.</p>
<p>I guess, that deep down, I&#8217;m taking the view that deleveraging will eventually end and the world will head off on its usual and preferred inflationary way again is about all.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Atkinson</title>
		<link>http://www.shareswatch.com.au/blog/stockmarket/a-stock-market-correction-some-panic-and-nervous-investors/#comment-2767</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Atkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 02:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is a good example of a market commentator in the mainstream media jumping on the &quot;correction? bandwagon: http://www.smh.com.au/business/its-governments-turn-to-pay-so-we-all-must-pay-20100205-nikt.html

According to the &quot;wise&quot; Malcolm Maiden the current correction is one &quot;we had to have&quot;. Thanks Mal, I guess the next rally will be the rally &quot;we had to have&quot; hey?

He then goes on to make this bizarre statement:

&quot;Last year&#039;s rally assumed that the climb away from the crisis would be smooth&quot;

How did he come to that conclusion I wonder? Actually I would say last years rally was a fairly classic bounce off a very low level and I don&#039;t think there were many (any?) people expecting the global economy was going recover smoothly...apart from Malcolm perhaps!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a good example of a market commentator in the mainstream media jumping on the &#8220;correction? bandwagon: <a href="http://www.smh.com.au/business/its-governments-turn-to-pay-so-we-all-must-pay-20100205-nikt.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.smh.com.au/business/its-governments-turn-to-pay-so-we-all-must-pay-20100205-nikt.html</a></p>
<p>According to the &#8220;wise&#8221; Malcolm Maiden the current correction is one &#8220;we had to have&#8221;. Thanks Mal, I guess the next rally will be the rally &#8220;we had to have&#8221; hey?</p>
<p>He then goes on to make this bizarre statement:</p>
<p>&#8220;Last year&#8217;s rally assumed that the climb away from the crisis would be smooth&#8221;</p>
<p>How did he come to that conclusion I wonder? Actually I would say last years rally was a fairly classic bounce off a very low level and I don&#8217;t think there were many (any?) people expecting the global economy was going recover smoothly&#8230;apart from Malcolm perhaps!</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
		<link>http://www.shareswatch.com.au/blog/stockmarket/a-stock-market-correction-some-panic-and-nervous-investors/#comment-2762</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 23:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The other general thing of interest (to me), is that even the most positive thinking, yet still sensible freebie American stock market commentator I follow, is certainly allowing for the possibility the American consumer may “never” fully come back. And talking in terms of consider buying stocks for 10 years down the track – In Brazil and India. He prefers them to China.&quot;

Yes, when I was looking at American retail stock I priced in a recovery in spending but obviously not back to previous levels. Unfortunately I didn&#039;t think the recovery was going to be as slow and as weak as what is occurring now (should have heeded Greg&#039;s commentary). Clearly the American consumer is more frugal. Many are deleveraging and/or unwilling to take on further consumer/credit-card debt.
I think if you bght stocks and held them for 10 years that is a good plan in theory. The problem would be handling the 50-70% swings throughout, plus the dogs that never recover. Also one has to wonder how emerging economy future returns may pan out when everyone is on one side of the ship spruking &quot;China and India will save us.&quot; 

People were envisioning similar prospects about dot coms prior to their collapse. Then about health in the early 2000&#039;s then with commodities in 08 with inflation and dont forget the peak oil doomers when oil was $140 a barrel.
Now we have the end of fiat money doomers hence my big investments in the British pound in USD last year. I remember everyone buying gold running into their bomb shelters and getting rid of cash as fast as they could ;)
I actually bght some Euros last session as i&#039;m planning to buy some European investments if this PIGS situation causes more panic. 

To be honest I think the person who gets it right alot is Greg. He should be on CNBC instead of alot of the idiots on there. If I have that channel on I usually turn the sound off lol. Greg have you thought about writing a newsletter, I think you&#039;d make a mint ;)

Remember above is not advice, only commentary – seek advice/info from a competent financial advisor</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The other general thing of interest (to me), is that even the most positive thinking, yet still sensible freebie American stock market commentator I follow, is certainly allowing for the possibility the American consumer may “never” fully come back. And talking in terms of consider buying stocks for 10 years down the track – In Brazil and India. He prefers them to China.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, when I was looking at American retail stock I priced in a recovery in spending but obviously not back to previous levels. Unfortunately I didn&#8217;t think the recovery was going to be as slow and as weak as what is occurring now (should have heeded Greg&#8217;s commentary). Clearly the American consumer is more frugal. Many are deleveraging and/or unwilling to take on further consumer/credit-card debt.<br />
I think if you bght stocks and held them for 10 years that is a good plan in theory. The problem would be handling the 50-70% swings throughout, plus the dogs that never recover. Also one has to wonder how emerging economy future returns may pan out when everyone is on one side of the ship spruking &#8220;China and India will save us.&#8221; </p>
<p>People were envisioning similar prospects about dot coms prior to their collapse. Then about health in the early 2000&#8217;s then with commodities in 08 with inflation and dont forget the peak oil doomers when oil was $140 a barrel.<br />
Now we have the end of fiat money doomers hence my big investments in the British pound in USD last year. I remember everyone buying gold running into their bomb shelters and getting rid of cash as fast as they could <img src='http://www.shareswatch.com.au/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
I actually bght some Euros last session as i&#8217;m planning to buy some European investments if this PIGS situation causes more panic. </p>
<p>To be honest I think the person who gets it right alot is Greg. He should be on CNBC instead of alot of the idiots on there. If I have that channel on I usually turn the sound off lol. Greg have you thought about writing a newsletter, I think you&#8217;d make a mint <img src='http://www.shareswatch.com.au/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Remember above is not advice, only commentary – seek advice/info from a competent financial advisor</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
		<link>http://www.shareswatch.com.au/blog/stockmarket/a-stock-market-correction-some-panic-and-nervous-investors/#comment-2761</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 22:27:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I am not quite into U.S stocks yet, but I reckon the sectors you mention would be pretty tempting at the moment especially health-care.&quot;

Over the last 10 years, its remarkable how poor shareholder returns have been in Health. Constant eps/profit growth for numerous companies and sideways moving charts due to inflated expectations at the origination (analogous to Walmart).
The lost decade for healthcare...considering demographics and how much future monies government will allocate, one could reasonably conclude more auspicious returns.

Greg have you thought of or have entered the environment sector ?
Seems to be lots of future growth but with concomitant lack of selection and earnings history.

Remember above is not advice, only commentary – seek advice/info from a competent financial advisor</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I am not quite into U.S stocks yet, but I reckon the sectors you mention would be pretty tempting at the moment especially health-care.&#8221;</p>
<p>Over the last 10 years, its remarkable how poor shareholder returns have been in Health. Constant eps/profit growth for numerous companies and sideways moving charts due to inflated expectations at the origination (analogous to Walmart).<br />
The lost decade for healthcare&#8230;considering demographics and how much future monies government will allocate, one could reasonably conclude more auspicious returns.</p>
<p>Greg have you thought of or have entered the environment sector ?<br />
Seems to be lots of future growth but with concomitant lack of selection and earnings history.</p>
<p>Remember above is not advice, only commentary – seek advice/info from a competent financial advisor</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
		<link>http://www.shareswatch.com.au/blog/stockmarket/a-stock-market-correction-some-panic-and-nervous-investors/#comment-2760</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 20:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Ned, Greg was right...it was just an ill timed joke. Probably not appropriate given the amounts of money speculated in real estate.
Appologies.

BTW what is a prozac filter? and in europe? I&#039;m abit lost on that one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Ned, Greg was right&#8230;it was just an ill timed joke. Probably not appropriate given the amounts of money speculated in real estate.<br />
Appologies.</p>
<p>BTW what is a prozac filter? and in europe? I&#8217;m abit lost on that one.</p>
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